Collaborative paintings by Vincent van Gogh and Toulouse-Lautrec made 1886 in Paris Nederlandse versie van dit document

Two interesting paintings signed "Vincent" and "TL"
Three collaborative paintings by Vincent van Gogh and Toulouse-Lautrec made 1886 in Paris

      
           
Picture#1  64x53 cm  2370x1900 pix                        Picture#2  64x53 cm  2353x1971 pix                         Picture#3  100x73 cm  2370x1786 pix
Picture#1  64x53 cm  4300x3600 pix HighRes             Picture#2  64x53 cm  4300x3600 pix HighRes                 Picture#3  100x73 cm  4251x3203 pix HighRes
                                                         

Two "Vincents" Picture #1 and Picture #2
After his arrival in Paris in March 1886 Van Vincent van Gogh was introduced by his brother Theo in the circle of the impressionists,
and became a friend of Toulouse-Lautrec. They experimented with the style and techniques in the art of the impressionist and post impressionists.

https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collectie/d0693V1962:
"The French painter Toulouse-Lautrec met Van Gogh, who was ten years older than him, at Fernand Cormon’s studio, where they were both taking lessons.
They probably worked together intensively for a while, as the style and technique of their paintings in this period look very similar."

http://www.vangoghroute.com/france/paris/atelier-toulouse-lautrec/:
"Vincent met Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec (1864–1901) while studying at Fernand Cormon’s studio, and the two men became friends.
Though little is known about the friendship between Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec, they must have worked together intensively in the early months of 1887

When Vincent left Paris in February 1888, he probably wrote to Toulouse-Lautrec once from Arles,
but as far as is known, Toulouse-Lautrec never replied, and there was no further correspondence."

http://www.vangoghreproductions.com/gogh-friends/toulouse-lautrec.html#vincent-van-gogh
"Relationship Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec with Vincent van Gogh
In February 1886, Vincent van Gogh left Antwerp for Paris, where his brother Theo lived. There he enrolled in Cormon's Atelier and became a friend of Toulouse-Lautrec.
For two years they painted and exhibited together, influencing each other's work, but in February 1888, on Lautrec’s advice, Van Gogh moved to the south of France.
They spent one more day together in July 1890, during Van Gogh's last visit to Paris.
It was through Emile Bernard that Van Gogh struck up a closer friendship with Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and Louis Anquetin, whom he had also first met at Cormon's.
Van Gogh had paid regular visits to Toulouse-Lautrec's studio in Rue Caulincourt, Paris, just around the corner from the brothers Vincent and Theo's apartment, to show his work."

In his period in Paris (March 1886 – February 1888) the colors of Vincent's pallet are influenced by the impressionists.
He made there more than 200 paintings, among them sights in Paris, especially in Montmartre. Much work by him was unmarketable and got lost or is missing.

In the past century a businessman collected as hobby paintings, etchings and drawings.
The collection consists of unsigned work of good quality. An exception are two paintings signed with "Vincent".
The paintings are two market scenes in the clear spring colors of the impressionists.
The two signatures have very much resemblance with Vincent van Gogh's signature on the drawing Paysanne au bassin dans un jardin. September-October 1885.

June 2006 photographs of both paintings have been evaluated by experts in the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, in the Louvre-Musee d'Orsay in Paris and in the Kroller-Muller museum in Otterlo, Netherlands.
They did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh in the paintings and did not notice the "TL" monograms of Toulouse-Lautrec.
( Click on the last 3 links to read the correspondence in 2006 and 2017/2018)   

To get more information about the two paintings this website was launched on the Internet in 2006.

    

The following opinion was provided on December 2017, after being almost 12 years on the Internet, by
        Janet G. Smith
        http://www.jgsart.com

Janet was the first to discover December 2017 on this website in the upper left corner of Picture #2 another, on the first layer a for the greater part over painted signature:
"TL Vincent": a monogram of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent.
Her sole opinion is the paintings may in fact be two collaborative paintings of Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec in Paris, date 1886:
"Picture #2: Review the sky upper left for the artist's name is again written "Vincent".
Again in the sky to the left of "Vincent" signature appears to be "TL"
The works may in fact be a collaborative works of Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec
I would estimate the date to be 1886 for both pictures.
This is my sole opinion."
         This_is_my_sole_opinion_2017-12-18.pdf

Janet found also the specific letters of Vincent van Gogh where he wrote about the three paintings:
"The 3 pictures are of 1 specific event or location and Vincent van Gogh wrote about it in his letters.
I have found the specific letters. I have identified the scene in relation to the artist "Vincent van Gogh" and the location he painted in all 3 pictures"

Mail_from_Janet_Location that the artist painted in the 3 pictures_04_03_2018.pdf

See the monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent in the upper left corner of Picture #2
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail negative in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail- negative
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail with filled in "TL Vincent" signatures in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail- with filled in signatures

See also the signature "V nc  t" in the upper left corner of Picture #1 and largely over painted.
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail in a new window:
           Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photo detail
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail with filled in "V nc  t" signatures in a new window:
           Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photo detail with partly filled in signature

X-ray photo's of the paintings, made 2018_01_06
You can see all X-ray photo's on: X-ray images of both paintings
The X-ray images combined to the complete paintings and scaled down to 1280x1024 pixels ::
           Complete X-ray photo of Painting #1, 1280x1024      and    Complete X-ray photot of Painting #2, 1280x1024
The X-ray images combined to the complete paintings are about 20 mB and 15000 x 13500 pixels
           Complete X-ray photo of Painting #1, real size      and    Complete X-ray photo of Painting #2, real size

First-view Infrared photo's of the paintings, made 2018_01_06:
           see First-view Infrared photo's of the paintings

The photo's dated 2006 are made again in 2018.
           see: New photo's made 2018_jan_06
           see: High Resolution photo's made 2018_june_09
           The photosfrom 2018 without the frame: Picture-2 gave a surprise:
           The combination "TL Vincent" is somewhat smaller also on the first layer in the upper left corner of picture#2 under the frame !
           So two times "TL Vincent" on the first layer under the blue sky.

     

Janet asked to contact the Louvre and the Van Gogh Museum with the new information
           - The Kröller-Müller Museum has not the required expertise and referred to the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam.
           - The Louvre-Musee / d'Orsay in Paris stopped appraisal of paintings and referred to
               VAN GOGH EXPERTS, 33 West 19th Street, 4th floor New York City, NY 10011 USA:
                http://vangoghexperts.com/index.html:
               The answer of VAN GOGH EXPERTS was 17 Jan 2018 :
               Mail_answer_from_VAN_GOGH_EXPERTS_17_01_2018.docx:
               "Yes, we agree the paintings have the potential to be by Vincent Van Gogh.
               Let us know if you want us to authenticate them.     Yours sincerely,     Mark Winter."

           - Feb. 2018 the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam again did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh in the paintings.

The subfolders of this homepage are:
           - The 4 subfolders with Photo's Picture #1 and Picture #2,:
                      - The photo's HighRes_6000x4000 in 2018,
                      - The photo's in 2018,
                      - The photo's in 2006,
                      - The X-ray photo's in 2018,
                      - The First-view Infrared photo's in 2018.
           - The Correspondence, with all correspondence
           - The pictures on this homepage,
           - Luisa's Impressionist Painting#3 and its Correspondence.
                      - Photo's Luisa's Impressionist Painting#3.


The third painting, Luisa's Impressionistic Painting, Picture #3
Luisa, living in Venezuela, bought a painting a few years ago in Caracas, also a market scene, in the clear spring colors of the French impressionists.
Nobody, among them in 2011 the "Laboratorio Scientifico del MUSEO D’ARTE E SCIENZA, Milan" and the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam noticed the "TL" monogram left upper and could tell who painted it.
March 2017 Luisa found this website and saw the similarity of her painting to the two "Vincents" and asked me: is my paintng made by the same artist as the "Vincents"?
Luisa's Impressionistic Painting painting is since feb. 2018 also on this website and it has also in the left-upper corner the "TL" monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec.

Janet G. Smith's opinion and sole opinion is that also this painting is the collaborative work of two artists, Vincent van Gogh and Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec. The date is 1886.
"From: janet g. smith
Date: Feb 10, 2018 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: Nuevas iniciales
To: Luisa

Dear Luisela,
Thank you for the additional information about your family picture, Market Scene.
It is my personal opinion and sole opinion that your picture is the work of two artists,
Vincent van Gogh and Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec. The date is 1886.
The upper left is where the signature and monogram appear.
Please keep the picture safe.
Best regards, Janet
      Janet G. Smith
      www.jgsart.com
"

     


The three paintings are a "Missing link" between Vincent's starting nineteenth-century style and his later post-impressionistic style.       

Since March 2018 the authentication of the three paintings is ongoing.
Info : HansLeibbrandt@onsbrabantnet.nl


Click in the photos to see them full size


Picture#1, Oil on canvas, 64 x 53 cm , "Vincent" signature in the right-lower corner and its "Vincent" signature in the left-upper corner on the first layer         


Picture#1, 64x53 cm 2370x1900 pix Photo made Jan 2018.
Picture#1  64x53 cm  4300x3600 pix HighRes Photo made June 2018



Picture#2, Oil on canvas, 64 x 53 cm , "Vincent" signature in the right-lower corner and its "TL Vincent" signatures in the left-upper corner on the first layer


Picture#2, 64x53 cm 2353x1971 pix Photo made Jan 2018.
Picture#2  64x53 cm  4300x3600 pix HighRes Photo made June 2018           



Luisa's Painting, Picture#3, Oil on canvas. 100x73 cm , "TL" signature in the left-upper corner and its "TL" signature (UV-IMAGE), in the left-upper corner.


Picture#3  100x73 cm  2370x1786 pix
Picture#3  100x73 cm  4251x3203 pix HighRes
Results of the scientific tests performed on the painting by the Laboratorio Scientifico del MUSEO D’ARTE E SCIENZA , Milan, 09/06/2011

    
  
   
  

Vincent van Gogh's signatures

Signature Picture #1,
Signature Paysanne au bassin dans un jardin-September-October 1885
Signature Picture #2

          


           Vincent Van Gogh. September-October 1885. 33x26.4 cm, 2614x3200 pix. Paysanne au bassin dans un jardin. Black crayon, pen, brush and black and sepia ink and pencil on paper, signed 'Vincent' on the lower right.

       

Paintings by Vincent van Gogh in Paris in 1886   

           Signature van Vincent van Gogh Parijs, 1886 Vue sur Paris depuis Montmartre

          

          
           Vincent van Gogh Paris 1886, Vue sur Paris depuis Montmartre 2028x1267
           Vincent van Gogh Paris 1886, Pont du carrousel and the Louvre 2048x1454
           Vincent van Gogh, View of the roofs of Paris summer late 1886 2048x1517

           Camille Pissarrow, Marketplace in Pontoise, drawing 16.8x12.7cm, December 1886

          

          Info : HansLeibbrandt@onsbrabantnet.nl