Picture#1 64x53 cm 2370x1900 pix Picture#2 64x53 cm 2353x1971 pix Picture#3 73x60 cm 2370x1786 pix
Picture#1 64x53 cm 4300x3600 pix HighRes Picture#2 64x53 cm 4300x3600 pix HighRes
Two "Vincents" Picture #1 and Picture #2
After his arrival in Paris in March 1886 Van Vincent van Gogh was introduced by his brother Theo in the circle of the impressionists,
among them his friend Toulouse-Lautrec, and began experimenting with the style and technique he saw in the art of the impressionist and post impressionists.
"The French painter Toulouse-Lautrec met Van Gogh, who was ten years older than him, at Fernand Cormon’s studio, where they were both taking lessons.
They probably worked together intensively for a while, as the style and technique of their paintings in this period look very similar."
Relationship Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec with Vincent van Gogh
In February 1886, Vincent van Gogh left Antwerp for Paris, where his brother Theo lived. There he enrolled in Cormon's Atelier and became a friend of Toulouse-Lautrec.
For two years they painted and exhibited together, influencing each other's work, but in February 1888, on Lautrec’s advice, Van Gogh moved to the south of France.
They spent one more day together in July 1890, during Van Gogh's last visit to Paris.
It was through Emile Bernard that Van Gogh struck up a closer friendship with Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and Louis Anquetin, whom he had also first met at Cormon's.
Van Gogh had paid regular visits to Toulouse-Lautrec's studio in Rue Caulincourt, Paris, just around the corner from the brothers Vincent and Theo's apartment, to show his work.
In his period in Paris (March 1886 – February 1888) the colors of his pallet are influenced by the impressionists.
He made there more than 200 paintings, among them sights in Paris, especially in Montmartre. Much work by him was unmarketable and got lost or is missing.
A Dutch businessman in the past century collected as hobby paintings, etchings and drawings. The collection consists of unsigned work of good quality.
An exception are two paintings signed with "Vincent", bought in the end of the thirties.
The paintings are two market scenes in the clear spring colors of the impressionists.
The two signatures have much resemblance with Vincent van Gogh's signatures in the period between 1884 and 1889.
To get more information about the two paintings this site was launched on the Internet in 2006.
June 2006 the photographs of both paintings have been evaluated by experts in the
Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, in the
Louvre-Musee d'Orsay in Paris and in the
Kroller-Muller museum in Otterlo Nld.
They did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh in the paintings and did not notice the "TL" monograms of Toulouse-Lautrec.
The following opinion was provided by Janet G. Smith on December 2017.
( Click on the last 4 links to read the correspondence in 2006 and 2017/2018)
Janet G. Smith
Janet was the first to find December 2017 on this website in the upper left corner of Picture #2 another, on the first layer a for the greater part over painted signature:
"TL Vincent": a monogram of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent.
Her sole opinion is the paintings may in fact be two collaborative paintings of Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec in Paris, date 1886:
"Picture #2: Review the sky upper left for the artist's name is again written "Vincent".
Again in the sky to the left of "Vincent" signature appears to be "TL"
The works may in fact be a collaborative works of Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec
I would estimate the date to be 1886 for both pictures.
This is my sole opinion." This_is_my_sole_opinion_2017-12-18.pdf
Janet found also the specific letters of Vincent van Gogh where he wrote about the three paintings:
"The 3 pictures are of 1 specific event or location and Vincent van Gogh wrote about it in his letters.
I have found the specific letters. I have identified the scene in relation to the artist "Vincent van Gogh" and the location he painted in all 3 pictures"
Mail_from_Janet_Location that the artist painted in the 3 pictures_04_03_2018.pdf
See the monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent in the upper left corner of Picture #2
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail in a new window:
Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail negative in a new window:
Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail- negative
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail with filled in "TL Vincent" signatures in a new window:
Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail- with filled in signatures
See also the signature "V nc t" in the upper left corner of Picture #1 and largely over painted.
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail in a new window:
Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photo detail
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail with filled in "V nc t" signatures in a new window:
Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photo detail with partly filled in signature
X-ray photo's of the paintings, made 2018_01_06
You can see all X-ray photo's on: X-ray images of both paintings
The X-ray images combined to the complete paintings and scaled down to 1280x1024 pixels ::
Complete X-ray photo of Painting #1, 1280x1024 and Complete X-ray photot of Painting #2, 1280x1024
The X-ray images combined to the complete paintings are about 20 mB and 15000 x 13500 pixels
Complete X-ray photo of Painting #1, real size and Complete X-ray photo of Painting #2, real size
First-view Infrared photo's of the paintings, made 2018_01_06:
- Infra rood picture #1,
- Infra rood picture #2,
- Infra rood picture #2 Detail.
The photo's dated 2006 are made again in 2018.
see: New photo's made 2018_jan_06
see: High Resolution photo's made op 2018_june_09
The photos without the frame from 2018: Picture-2 gave a surprise:
The combination "TL Vincent" is somewhat smaller also on the first layer in the upper left corner of picture#2 under the frame !
So two times "TL Vincent" on the first layer under the blue sky.
Janet asked to contact the Louvre and the Van Gogh Museum with the new information
- The Kröller-Müller Museum has not the required expertise and referred to the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam.
- The Louvre-Musee / d'Orsay in Paris stopped appraisal of paintings and referred to
VAN GOGH EXPERTS, 595 N. Nova Rd. Suite 202, Ormond Beach, FL 32174, in Florida USA:
The answer of VAN GOGH EXPERTS was 17 Jan 2018 :
"Yes, we agree the paintings have the potential to be by Vincent Van Gogh.
Let us know if you want us to authenticate them. Yours sincerely, Mark Winter."
- Feb. 2018 the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam again did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh in the paintings. Photos_2018_06_09_HighRes_6000x4000
The subfolders of this homepage are:
- The 4 subfolders with Photo's Picture #1 and Picture #2,:
- The photo's HighRes_6000x4000 in 2018,
- The photo's in 2018,
- The photo's in 2006,
- The X-ray photo's in 2018,
- The First-view Infrared photo's in 2018.
- The Correspondence, with all correspondence
- The pictures on this homepage,
- Luisa's Impressionist Painting#3 and its Correspondence.
- Photo's Luisa's Impressionist Painting#3.
The third painting, Luisa's Impressionistic Painting, Picture #3
Luisa, living in Venezuela, bought a few years ago a painting, also a market scene, in the clear spring colors of the French impressionists.
Nobody, among them the 'Laboratorio Scientifico del MUSEO D’ARTE E SCIENZA, Milan' and the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam in 2011 noticed the "TL" monogram left upper and could tell who painted it.
March 2017 she found this website and saw the similarity of her painting to the two "Vincents".
Her painting is now also on this website and it has also in the left-upper corner the "TL" monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec.
Janet G. Smith's opinion and sole opinion is that also this painting is the collaborative work of two artists, Vincent van Gogh and Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec.
The date is 1886.
"From: janet g. smith
Date: Feb 10, 2018 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: Nuevas iniciales
Thank you for the additional information about your family picture, Market Scene.
It is my personal opinion and sole opinion that your picture is the work of two artists,
Vincent van Gogh and Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec. The date is 1886.
The upper left is where the signature and monogram appear.
Please keep the picture safe.
Best regards, Janet
Janet G. Smith
The research for authentication of the three paintings is ongoing.
Info : HansLeibbrandt@onsbrabantnet.nl
Picture#1, Oil on canvas, 64 x 53 cm , "Vincent" signature in the right-lower corner and its "Vincent" signature in the left-upper corner on the first layer
Picture#1, 64x53 cm 2370x1900 pix Photo made Jan 2018.
Picture#1 64x53 cm 4300x3600 pix HighRes
Picture#2, Oil on canvas, 64 x 53 cm , "Vincent" signature in the right-lower corner and its "TL Vincent" signatures in the left-upper corner on the first layer
Picture#2, 64x53 cm 2353x1971 pix Photo made Jan 2018.
Picture#2 64x53 cm 4300x3600 pix HighRes
Luisa's Painting, Picture#3, Oil on canvas. 73 x 60 cm , "TL" signature in the left-upper corner and its "TL" signature (UV-IMAGE), in the left-upper corner.
Certificate, results of the scientific tests by Laboratorio Scientifico del MUSEO D’ARTE E SCIENZA , Milan, 09/06/2011
Vincent van Gogh's signatures
The signatures on the Pictures #1 and #2, and two signatures of Vincent van Gogh. (Paris, February-March, 1887) and (Arles, March, 1888 )