Collaborative paintings by Vincent van Gogh and Toulouse-Lautrec, Paris 1886 Nederlandse versie van dit document

Two interesting paintings signed "Vincent" and "TL"
Three collaborative paintings made in 1886 by Vincent van Gogh and Toulouse-Lautrec
     

Two "Vincents" Picture #1 and Picture #2
After his arrival in Paris in March 1886 Van Vincent van Gogh was introduced by his brother Theo in the circle of the impressionists,
among them his friend Toulouse-Lautrec, and began experimenting with the style and technique he saw in the art of the impressionist and post impressionists.
https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collectie/d0693V1962:
The French painter Toulouse-Lautrec met Van Gogh, who was ten years older than him, at Fernand Cormon’s studio, where they were both taking lessons.
They probably worked together intensively for a while, as the style and technique of their paintings in this period look very similar.

www.vangoghgallery.com/misc/later.html:
"By early 1886, he had moved to Paris to live with his brother Theo. Here Vincent was immersed in a centrifuge of modern art from the impressionist and post impressionists.
Van Gogh quickly dropped the dark colors he had used to create The Potato Eaters after discovering the palette to be horrendously out of date.
He adopted the brighter more vibrant colors with ease and began experimenting with the techniques he saw in the art of the impressionist and post impressionists.
"
In his period in Paris (March 1886 – February 1888) the colors of his pallet are influenced by the impressionists.
He made there more than 200 paintings, among them sights in Paris, especially in Montmartre. Much work by him was unmarketable and got lost or is missing.

A businessman in the past century collected as hobby paintings, etchings and drawings. The collection consists of unsigned work of good quality.
An exception are two paintings signed with "Vincent", bought in the end of the thirties.
The paintings are two market scenes in the clear spring colors of the impressionists.
The two signatures have much resemblance with Vincent van Gogh's signatures in the period between 1884 and 1889.

June 2006 the photographs of both paintings have been evaluated by experts in the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, in the Louvre-Musee d'Orsay in Paris and in the Kroller-Muller museum in Otterlo Nld.
They did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh in the paintings, did not notice the de "TL" monograms and were not interested.
  

The following opinion was provided by Janet G. Smith in December 2017. ( Click on the last 4 links to read the correspondence in 2006 and 2017/2018)
           Janet G. Smith Fine Art Consulting & Appraisal
           Telephone: (402) 320-1239
           www.jgsart.com : Art appraisal, authentication and research
           Contact: info@jgsart.com
           PO Box 120214
           Clermont, FL 34712
           Florida USA
           Curriculum vitae of Janet G. Smith, 13 pages
Janet was the first to find on this website in the upper left corner of Picture #2 another, on the first layer a for the greater part over painted signature:
"TL Vincent": a monogram of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent.
Her solo opinion is the paintings may in fact be two collaborative paintings of Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec in Paris, date 1886.

See the monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent in the upper left corner of Picture #2
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail negative in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail- negative
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail with filled in "TL Vincent" signatures in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photo detail- with filled in signatures

See also the signature "V nc  t" in the upper left corner of Picture #1 and largely over painted.
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail in a new window:
           Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photo detail
- in the contrast enhanced photo detail with filled in "V nc  t" signatures in a new window:
           Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photo detail with partly filled in signature

X-ray photo's of the paintings, made 2018_01_06
You can see all X-ray photo's on: X-ray images of both paintings
The X-ray images combined to the complete paintings and scaled down to 1280x1024 pixels ::
           Complete X-ray picture of Painting-1, 1280x1024      and    Complete X-ray picture of Painting-2, 1280x1024
The X-ray images combined to the complete paintings are about 20 mB and 15000 x 13500 pixels
           Complete X-ray picture of Painting-1, real size      and    Complete X-ray picture of Painting-2, real size

First-view Infrared photo's of the paintings, made 2018_01_06:
           - Infra rood picture-1,
           - Infra rood picture-2,
           - Infra rood picture-2 Detail.

The photo's dated 2006 are made again in 2018, but now with the frames removed.
           see: New photo's made 2018_01_06
The photos without the frame from 2018: Picture-2 gave a surprise:
           The combination "TL Vincent" is somewhat smaller also on the first layer in the upper left corner of picture#2 under the frame !
           So two times "TL Vincent" on the first layer under the blue sky.

     

Janet G. Smith, Fine Art Consulting & Appraisal, Clermont, FL 34712 , Florida USA
asked us to contact the Louvre and the Van Gogh Museum with the new information

           - The Kröller-Müller Museum has not the required expertise and referred to the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam.
           - The Louvre-Musee / d'Orsay in Paris stopped appraisal of paintings and referred to
               VAN GOGH EXPERTS, 595 N. Nova Rd. Suite 202, Ormond Beach, FL 32174, in Florida USA:
                http://vangoghexperts.com/index.html:
               The answer of VAN GOGH EXPERTS was 17 Jan 2018 :
               Mail_answer_from_VAN_GOGH_EXPERTS_17_01_2018.docx:
               "Yes, we agree the paintings have the potential to be by Vincent Van Gogh.
               Let us know if you want us to authenticate them.     Yours sincerely,     Mark Winter."

           - Feb. 2018 the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam again did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh, and is not interested in the three paintings.

The subfolders of this homepage are:
           - The 4 subfolders with Photo's Picture #1 and Picture #2,:
                      - The photo's in 2018,
                      - The photo's in 2006,
                      - The X-ray photo's in 2018,
                      - The First-view Infrared photo's in 2018.
           - The Correspondence, with all correspondence
           - The pictures on this homepage,
           - Luisa's Impressionist Painting#3 and its Correspondence.
                      - Photo's Luisa's Impressionist Painting#3.


The third painting, Luisa's Impressionistic Painting, Picture#3
Luisa, living in Venezuela, bought a few years ago a painting, also a market scene, in the clear spring colors of the French impressionists.
Nobody, among them the 'Laboratorio Scientifico del MUSEO D’ARTE E SCIENZA, Milan' and the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam in 2011 could tell her who painted it.
March 2017 she found this website and saw the similarity of her painting to the two "Vincents".
Her painting is now also on this website and it has also in the left-upper corner the "TL" monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec.

Janet G. Smith's opinion and solo opinion is that also this painting is the collaborative work of two artists, Vincent van Gogh and Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec. The date is 1886.
"From: "janet g. smith"
Date: Feb 10, 2018 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: Nuevas iniciales
To: "Luisa"

Dear Luisela,
Thank you for the additional information about your family picture, Market Scene.
It is my personal opinion and solo opinion that your picture is the work of two artists,
Vincent van Gogh and Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec. The date is 1886.
The upper left is where the signature and monogram appear.
Please keep the picture safe.
Best regards, Janet
      Janet G. Smith Fine Art Consulting & Appraisal
      Telephone: (402) 320-1239 www.jgsart.com
"
           Mail from Janet Smith to Luisa Solo opinion 2018-02-10.pdf


Info : HansLeibbrandt@onsbrabantnet.nl


Click in the photos to see them full size, in a new window


Picture#1, Oil on canvas, 64 x 53 cm , "Vincent" signature in the right-lower corner and its "Vincent" signature in the left-upper corner on the first layer         


Picture #1, Photo made Jan 2018.
Picture #1, Photo backside Jan 2018, Frame removed. In the right upper corner "V    nt"



Picture#2, Oil on canvas, 64 x 53 cm , "Vincent" signature in the right-lower corner and its "TL Vincent" signatures in the left-upper corner on the first layer


Picture #2, Photo made Jan 2018.
Picture #2, Photo backside Jan 2018, Frame removed.



Luisa's Painting, Picture#3, Oil on canvas. 73 x 60 cm , "TL" signature in the left-upper corner and its "TL" signature (UV-IMAGE), in the left-upper corner.

Certificate, results of the scientific tests by Laboratorio Scientifico del MUSEO D’ARTE E SCIENZA , Milan, 09/06/2011

    
  
Relationship Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec with Vincent van Gogh

In February 1886, Vincent van Gogh left Antwerp for Paris, where his brother Theo lived. There he enrolled in Cormon's Atelier and became a friend of Toulouse-Lautrec.

For two years they painted and exhibited together, influencing each other's work, but in February 1888, on Lautrec’s advice, Van Gogh moved to the south of France.

They spent one more day together in July 1890, during Van Gogh's last visit to Paris.

It was through Emile Bernard that Van Gogh struck up a closer friendship with Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and Louis Anquetin, whom he had also first met at Cormon's.

Van Gogh had paid regular visits to Toulouse-Lautrec's studio in Rue Caulincourt, Paris, just around the corner from the brothers Vincent and Theo's apartment, to show his work.
Theo van Gogh was the first art dealer who regularly exhibited Toulouse-Lautrec's work.

          
           Portrait of Van Gogh by Toulouse-Lautrec
  
  

Vincent van Gogh's signatures

The signatures on the Pictures #1 and #2, and two signatures of Vincent van Gogh. (Paris, February-March, 1887) and (Arles, March, 1888 )